Radio Show

Final Project

Here’s my final Lunchables edition of “Why is that a thing?”. I recorded it over three different sessions using Audacity. First, my own track, then I clipped it in a second track that I recorded separately with my kids. Then I compressed the two and went back and laid down a third track with a music bed of poor guitar. This actually took less time than I had anticipated, partly because I was able to do the speaking tracks in two long pieces instead of having to chop them up. I was happy with the way it came out, although I don’t love my voice and I hope I don’t sound too condescending. I went off script because I felt like my script was too preachy and I wanted to keep the whole thing a little lighter. I found that by keeping the script open in front of me, I was able to grab some facts as I went along, but it sounded more conversational than if I was reading it. I left the original script in this post so you can see how different the final version ended up being.

Radio Show Poster

Poster for the radio show – built on Picadilo after a failed attempt to use Fontstruct which apparently only gives you limited amounts of options to manipulate text unless you pay for the more advanced programs.

(NOTE FROM MARCH 31: THEY TOOK PICADILO DOWN!! I’M SO BUMMED!!!)

Here’s what I came up with. I can add all the details about when to listen and call letters, etc….

BROKENRADIO

Radio Commercial

Finally got a computer working – Im getting better at manipulating audacity although at some point in the past I figured out how to fade sounds at the beginning and end of tracks and now I can’t remember how I did it. Thats why this one ends somewhat abruptly. Thanks to Frank and Jackie for helping me.

Radio Bumper

Radio Show Script

So I want to know why Lunchables are still a thing. Yes, I get that everybody’s running around like crazy and that aprents barely have time to get their own lunch together let alone their kids lunches. But can’t we do better than a pre-packaged, overpriced, artificial, unhealthy pile of crap that is so small it would barely satisfy a fifth grader. Is that really the best we can do?

(sounds of a lunchroom at school – kids talking, eating)

If you don’t know what Lunchables are, they are pre-packaged little snacks-slash-meals that include the tiniest bit of food – a couple crackers, some slices of meat, a tiny dessert – one or two cookies, for example. Kind of like a TV dinner for little kids. Cost at Pathmark (my grocery store of choice) – 2 dollars and 19 cents. So why do I hate Lunchables?

Let’s take a look at what’s actually in there.

(sound of plastic being ripped off package)

I looked at two of them. The first was a ham and cheddar. For this so-called meal, you get six tiny slices of ham – each one a little larger than a fifty cent piece. There are six Ritz-like crackers , a chunk of cheese and two cookies. I don’t know any middle-school kid that thinks that’s enough for lunch – maybe a snack but that’s about it. And don’t forget, you’re paying more than 2 bucks for this.

Now, by way of comparison, Pathmark you can get 120 crackers for just thirty cents more. (old school cash register sound)

A whole bag of cookies – 54 of them – costs just 20 cents more. (old school cash register sound)

A half a pound of ham and cheese cost about seven bucks – not on sale. (old school cash register sound)

Rough math shows that you could get all of that for the same price as maybe four or five Lunchables. That’s a ton more food if you’re buying everything separately.  A loaf of bread and jars of peanut butter and jelly end up costing about as much as =three= Lunchables.  But some people say they just don’t have time to make their kid something decent to eat. Do you know how much time it takes to make a PB and J? Really? I did it in less than one minute. Less than one minute! You don’t have one minute to give your kid something healthy as opposed to a Lunchable? Throw in a banana and you’re father of the year! And look what’s in this thing! (mix in some music) 13 grams of sugar! More sodium than instant pudding! As much saturated fat as a tablespoon of butter! In this little tiny package, there’s more than 60 ingredients – some of them you can’t even pronounce. And that’s not the worst of it! There’s also something called Lunchables Uploaded. If it’s possible, it has even =less= nutrition than the original Lunchable. Instead of ham and cheese, you get – wait for it – chips, salsa and processed nacho cheese. Add to that some Kool-Aid and fruit by the foot. There’s not even any juice in the Kool-aid – the first ingredient is sugar! Look, I’m sure that by now I’ve bored you all to death with all of this. If you’re going to buy it for your kids, you’re probably buying it no matter what I say – either because you’ve convinced yourself that it’s easy and you don’t have any extra time or because your kids actually like it and you don’t want to fight.  (sounds of kids fighting/yelling)

It probably doesn’t matter that health experts like Dr. Dennis Wissing of LSU Health in Shreveport Louisiana singled out Lunchables and other food like it as one of the main reasons our kids’ weight is going through the roof. It probably doesn’t matter that it’s so small and so expensive that you end up throwing money away on something that doesn’t even fill your kid up.

One last test – let’s ask a kid.

(brief reactions from my kids after they try Lunchables)

So the question is – why do Lunchables still exist? It’s not healthy and it’s expensive – you must care about at least one of those things! So let’s do the right thing and turn this into a world where Lunchables are no longer a thing!


Unit 7

I was part of a radio broadcast both in high school and college so I have some experience as far as being a DJ but not as much when it comes to producing a taped and scripted radio show. I noted that in the specs it says we should create a piece that’s equal to 5 minutes times the amount of people we have – 40 minutes is a long broadcast! Anyhow, I like the idea of perhaps exploring the idea of time travel (perhaps because I just saw the Stephen Hawking movie in which he speculates about the nature of time). That’s just an idea. It seems to be that radio interviews are the easiest to produce (and similar to what I do every day) while radio dramas are the most difficult simply because of the nature of scripting, the number of different people involved, along with the sound effects and sound elements that go along with it. However, if its a well-scripted suspense or adventure story (like the Sherlock Holmes Basil Rathbone radio shows linked through the Internet archives), the number and importance of sound effects is less, though the need for a strong script and good characters is much greater.  In Rob Watson’s article , he describes the radio drama as an exercise in imagination – a theater-of-the-mind.  It challenges us to use a very limited and simple set of tools to create our stories – just voice and other sounds. I found it interesting that he would then challenge us to go beyond the simple tools that we’ve been given and try to re-imagine how to create a radio drama. I suppose one way that modern radio drama could take advantage of new technology would be to use the kinds of effects that were never possible before – flange or echo effects – or ones that manipulate the voice to create a new kind of character or to instill mood or drama. In Ira Glass’s article , he also talks about simplification, but in this case, I vbelieve he is simply trying to save us from ourselves. I’ve seen it a million times at MSNBC, where new writers try to write in a way that makes them sound intelligent or uses big words and all it does is complicate when often is a simple story. The toughest thing to do sometimes can be to find a simple, conversational way to say something. In Ira’s article, he uses this same idea to encourage producers to find the human element of a story – in other words, the most relatable part. In the same way, our writing should be something that all of our listeners can easily understand.

Three audio assignments

Bumper: I did this with my daughter – similar to the bumper I did with my son although this obviously was supposed to be within the context of a radio show (and obviously this was done before we decided on our radio show or its theme)

Commercial: This ended up being the commercial for the radio show. It’s under the radio show blog posting.

Foley Sounds: This wasn’t too hard – interesting to see how so many of the sound effects are made. I was more comfortable making them myself then finding stuff to make the sounds. My son enjoyed watching this. For mine to line up, you have to start the video at 1:28.

Ten stars worth of assignments

Being a Music Producer – 3 1/2 stars – AudioAssignments, AudioAssignments1179

Decided on this after trying to do Sounds of the Day but I couldn’t get the files from my phone to translate to Audacity for some reason. I opted instead for the music producer assignment (which actually had been my first choice) and recorded a beat on a snare, layered with some really poor guitar,whistling and clapping (got a little carried away cause I was enjoying myself). Its easy to add new tracks and Im getting better at clipping sounds and tracks where I want to.

Can’t Get it out of my Head – 2 stars – AudioAssignments, AudioAssignments1526

Did the whistling thing – pretty easy to guess I think, but maybe that’s because it is, actually, stuck in my right now.

Dramatic Reading Remix – 3 1/2 stars – AudioAssignments, AudioAssignments1417

This is Jackie reading the lyrics to Uptown Funk over some violin music I found online. I thought she did a good acting job. This was a straight copy off youtube, download and record a second track on Audacity.  Pretty simple.

Teezee reference – 1 1/2 stars – AudioAssignments, AudioAssignments1117

I found a good Twilight Zone reference in Futurama. I downloaded it from youtube using the website, YouTube to MP3, then imported the download to Audacity, trimmed off the pieces I didn’t need, then uploaded it back to my desktop and then to soundcloud. Added a picture this time too.

Summary

My sense about audio is that it is a more challenging medium than video or still photos. Our most immediate sense is our sense of sight – everything else needs to be interpreted and translated. In this way, audio/radio creates a more formidable challenge for the creator/producer. We need to use a more limited set of tools and be able to use them in such a way that they interact with the listeners’ imagination in order to convey the message we intend. Nevertheless, the fact that we are interacting with a listeners’ imagination gives us freedom to try different things and different sounds to elicit different responses. As far as producing a radio show, I think it will give the class a unique opportunity to interact and also to see how people’s voices reflect their character.. No one ever sounds as good as they think they do.


Serial Podcast Annotation (Episode 5)

EPISODE 5

(Ad :00-:20)

Detective

(:21) Jay, why would Adnan call you?

Jay

I’m the criminal element of Woodlawn.

Ira Glass

Previously, on Serial.

(music in at :31)

Adnan Syed

(:33) They said some-something like “we know what you and Jay did” or “we talked to Jay”– and I’m like “Jay? Jay–” like I had a look of puzzlement on my face – like, like “what? What do you mean?”

Jay

I’m sure if I ratted him out for killing Hae, then he wouldn’t hesitate to turn me over for selling drugs.

Jennifer Pusateri

I don’t know – unless Adnan paid Jay a good sum of money, I really don’t see Jay helping him.

(drop in audio at :51)

Automated voice

:55 This is a Global-Tel link prepaid call from Adnan Syed an inmate at a Maryland Correctional facility…

(audio trails out at 1:04)

Sarah Koenig

(1:10) From This American Life and WBEZ Chicago it’s Serial. One story told week by week. I’m Sarah Koenig.

The first letter I got from Adnan Syed, almost exactly one year ago, included a challenge. He was writing about the prosecution’s timeline of the crime.

(music fades completely out by 1:24)

About when and where Hae Min Lee was killed. The State contended that Hae was killed between 2:15 and 2:36 p.m. at the Best Buy parking lot, about a mile from Woodlawn High School. That’s the twenty-one minute window in which to commit the murder. Which may seem like a long time, Adnan wrote, but it is virtually impossible if you consider the following facts, which he then listed. For example, “when the final bell rings at 2:15, you can’t just leave and jump in your car,” he wrote. “There are 1500 other students filling the hallways and stairwells of a four story building.” Then you have to get out of the school parking lot, but the parking lot is encircled by the school bus loop, so you can’t get your car out until the buses fill up and leave. Which, Adnan wrote, “took about ten to fifteen minutes.”

Adnan Syed

(2:14) I wish– maybe I’ll try to draw a picture of it, but if you could just see how Woodlawn High School lets out at 2:15.

Sarah Koenig

(2:23) That’s Adnan elaborating on his letter.

Adnan

2:26 You can’t just go to your car and leave. It’s going to take a few minutes. So it’s just a really tight– window of time for this to have taken place. I’ve always– in my heart– I’ve always like– I’ve seen it on TV before like on Dateline or Nightline where someone tries to reenact the crime. There’s a moment where there’s someone like “you know what? This crime could not have been committed according to this set of facts.” There’s always this moment where I visualize the route, it’s just– Oh hey, were getting ready to go, right. Sorry. Hey, I gotta go. Alright bye.

Sarah Koenig

(2:57) Okay bye!

(3:00) That happens sometimes. The guards come by and you’re just done, mid-sentence. Anyway, I can pick up from Adnan’s letter.

(music inserts at 3:06 – just quarter notes in the background)

He wrote that in addition, the route to the Best Buy, even though it’s close to the school, there are major intersections along the way and that there is “a ton of traffic at that time.” And then, the murder itself. How would he be able to strangle Hae, a tall, strong, athletic girl, “remove her body from the car, carry it to the trunk, and place her in there in broad daylight at 2:30 in the afternoon. And then I walk into the Best Buy lobby and call Jay and tell him to come meet me there? All in twenty-one minutes. I am one-hundred percent sure that if someone tried to do it, it would be impossible.”

(music out at 3:42)

Gauntlet so thrown, producer Dana Chivvis and I gave it a shot.

(car doors slam at 3:44 & 3:47)

We tried this drive, twice we tried in fact because, full disclosure, the first time we screwed it up. The second time, though, we were like a machine.

(in car chatter behind audio at 3:55)

So here we go. We’re at Woodlawn High School, Wednesday afternoon. After school announcements.

4:02 Voice over school PA

If you’re a senior and you want to apply for local scholarships, you need to go to the counseling office–

(PA trails off at 4:09)

Sarah Koenig

Okay then, last bell. (chime at 4:11) More than a thousand students fill the halls just like Adnan described in his letter.

(sounds of the halls at 4:17)

We figure Hae gets in her car quickly. She’s in a hurry.

(car door opens at 4:24)

(4:30 – audio of Sarah in the car – some quiet background beats like woodblocks) Okay. It is now 2:17. The bell rang at exactly 2:15, say the fastest she could have gotten to her car is two minutes. So that’s giving the State the benefit of the doubt, right? If she’s really hustling, maybe she can get to her car in say two minutes?

(4:44 – Sarah’s track resumes)

Remember her friend Debbie Warren said that Hae had told her right after school that she was in a rush to see her new boyfriend Don at the mall. Presumably the Owings Mills Mall where they both worked.

(4:55 – producer in the car) I think this is the last bus.

(5:00  -Sarah’s track) We do indeed have to wait for the bus loop to clear. It takes a few minutes. We just have to sit there. We’re timing. We’re in the back of the school. Now we have to drive up around to the front of the school, up around the circle near the gym. Remember, that’s where Inez Butler-Hendrix says she sees Hae, who had come to grab a snack. Once we get there, we’re at eleven minutes, thirty eight seconds.

(5:19 – Sarah in car) I’m going to run in, keep timing. (car door slams at 5:24) 

(track resumes at 5:26) I run into the gym area where the food cart was, run back out to the car, then we have to drive back out to Woodlawn drive, turn onto Security Boulevard, which does have some big intersections you have to get through. Again, we’re trying to get to Best Buy, it’s still there today, in twenty-one minutes.

Dana Chivvis

(5:41) We’re at seventeen minutes, right about, now. We’re at seventeen minutes, we’re just crossing under the beltway.

Sarah Koenig

(5:50) Less than a minute later…

(5:53) Oh yeah, see? There’s the sign. Best Buy.

(music drops out at 5:56)

Jay’s story is that when he pulled into Best Buy, he saw Adnan at the phone booth there, at the edge of the building, wearing red gloves. Adnan motioned for Jay to follow him across the front of the building, around to the other side, to the farthest corner of the side parking lot, where Jay saw Hae’s car parked. This particular part of the parking lot, alas, it has significance. After Adnan was arrested, the detectives interviewed another friend of his, a kid named Ja’uan. Ja’uan told them he had gotten high with Adnan once, in Adnan’s car. Here’s tape of that interview.

(6:33) Detective

–and where was this?

Ja’uan

Best Buy parking lot.

 

Detective

Why did you go to the Best Buy parking lot?

Ja’uan

Nobody’s going to be over there.

Detective

Was it your choice to go there?

Ja’uan

(unintelligible)

Detective

His choice.

Ja’uan

He said that him and Hae used to go there to spend time together.

Detective

Adnan and Hae would go there to spend time.

Detective

Did he say what they would do there? Um, when they were in the parking lot alone, no one comes to that side of the parking lot.

Ja’uan

I think he might have said that they had sex there before.

out at 7:08

Sarah Koenig

In case you didn’t hear that, he says, “I think he might have said that they had sex there before.” Yeah.

(music inserted at 7:17 – light bells in a melody)

Ja’uan says this happened, this trip to get high at Best Buy, that it happened after Hae went missing. Meaning, if Adnan did it, he was taking Ja’uan back to the exact spot where he killed Hae. He was returning to the scene of the crime. Ja’uan says that they parked, from the sounds of it, right where Jay says Hae’s car was that day. Right where Dana and I are also parked.

(music out at 7:40)

It takes Dana and me almost eighteen minutes to get to this spot. That leaves three minutes for the actual horror of the thing. An argument maybe, then strangulation, then he’s got to put her body in the trunk, somehow, without anyone seeing. Granted, this part of the parking lot is pretty empty, but still, it’s a parking lot in the middle of the afternoon.  There are definitely cars and people near enough to make this seem like a very, very risky move.

(8:08) Dana and I time it out. Counting down the quickest possible imagining of such a thing. Manual strangulation usually takes a few minutes. Then, we get out of our car, and walk over to where we think the payphone was. According to a sketch Jay made for the cops. There’s no phone booth there now.

(music sneaks in again – low bass notes – 8:24)

I just want to pause here and talk about this phone booth for a minute. Weirdly, we have not been able to confirm its existence. The Best Buy employees I talked to did not remember a payphone back then. We spoke to the landlord at the time and to the property manager, they had no record of a payphone. They dug up a photo of the store, from 2001, no phone booth or payphone, though lots of public phones did come down between ‘99 and 2001. They looked up the blueprints for the store when it was built in 1995, nothing.

(music gets a little louder – 9:00) The manager also said there is no record of a service agreement between Best Buy and any payphone company at that store. We checked with the Maryland public service commission. We checked with Verizon. Neither could track down records from that far back.

(music drops out – 9:10)

It seems crazy to me that the cops would have either not checked to make sure it existed or failed to mention it if somehow it wasn’t there. They never got the call record from this booth. There’s nothing in their files about it. At trial, Adnan’s lawyer brings up this phone booth when she’s trying to attack Jay’s credibility. She says to the judge, “we believe that the physical description of the actuality of Best Buy, including the location of the phone booth at Best Buy, the entrance, the existence or non-existence of security cameras,” etc., she goes on. So, I don’t know. We’re stumped on this one. But lets assume it did exist that day. The prosecutor said that they knew Hae was dead by 2:36 because there is a call at 2:36 to Adnan’s cellphone. Which Jay has. And they say that must be the call Jay told the cops about. The one where Adnan calls his own phone and says, “come and get me. I’m at Best Buy.” You can see it on the call log. It just says ‘incoming.’ There’s no phone number attached to incoming calls. This 2:36 call was five seconds long.

(10:12 – Sarah and producers outside)

We get out a quarter, we put it in–

Dana Chivvis

Dial the number.

Sarah Koenig

One, two, three, four, five. Stop it.

Dana Chivvis

Twenty-two.

Sarah Koenig

Twenty-two and a half minutes?

Dana Chivvis

Yeah.

Sarah Koenig

So wait. Let us just be precise about it.

Dana Chivvis

Twenty-one– Twenty–

Sarah Koenig

Twenty-two minutes and two seconds. Yeah we just did it in twenty-two minutes and two seconds. And that was leaving about a minute and a half in the car for the actual killing part.

Dana Chivvis

That should probably be the minimum about of time in the car.

Sarah Koenig

Right. I don’t know.

Dana Chivvis

I mean, it seems like, yeah it could be done. But it seems far fetched.

Sarah Koenig

(Sarah track resumes 11:02) It does seem far fetched because there’s no room for any errors. Any pauses even. The buses, the drive, the strangulation. The moving of the body. The call. They all have to happen as quickly as they possibly can for the 2:36 call to work. But, it is possible. Or at least not impossible, which was what Adnan was saying in that first letter.

(11:24 – phone call)

Adnan Syed

So you guys– huh.

Sarah Koenig

Yeah.

Adnan Syed

So– huh.

Sarah Koenig

When I told Adnan that Dana and I more or less did it in the time allowed, the twenty-one minutes, his overall reaction was incredulity.

Adnan Syed

It seems like five minutes– from what I can remember, those busses didn’t clear in five minutes cuz I can remember sometimes we would have to wait in that parking lot, for those busses to clear. I don’t know. I just– to me, that was always stuck in my mind, was those busses. That you have to wait for the busses. So, I don’t know. That’s kinda disheartening. I always– I don’t know how long the crime would have taken. I don’t know how long– I don’t know. If you guys said you did it, then you did it, but I don’t know. I don’t know. I don’t know what to say to that. I don’t know what to say, I just always thought in my mind that–

Sarah Koenig

This is what I’ll say is that it doesn’t make me think– to me it doesn’t prove anything except that it’s possible. It doesn’t mean that I think you’re lying or that I think it even happened at the Best Buy, I’m just saying, if you’re going to debunk the State’s timeline–

Adnan Syed

(12:35) No I understand–

Sarah Koenig

–like we weren’t able to do that. We weren’t able to debunk their timeline–

Adnan Syed

No I understand that. I understand that.

(music resumes 12:45)

Sarah Koenig

(Sarah track resumes at 12:50) However, Dana and I were not done. This was just step one of the State’s timeline. In the detective’s notes, Dana and I found a handwritten itinerary, dated March 18, 1999. So that’s three day’s after Jay’s second taped interview with police. This is the route Jay laid out for the cops. His entire driving day, on January 13.

(music is out by 13:12)

This is what we’re going to try to replicate, to see if it matches the call record from that day. Because, right? The prosecution’s story of the crime was mainly pinned to two things. Jay’s statements and the cell records. Adnan remembers that at his trial, the prosecution had a big blow up chart of the call record, the one listing thirty four calls made and received on Adnan’s cell phone that day, with blanks besides each call. Every time a witness identified a call on the list, the prosecutor would label it with a sticker.

Adnan Syed

(13:41) So at two– at 3:21 they would have placed a sticker, boom, call to Jenn Pusateri. It was a pretty powerful thing. Because as he was testifying, it was almost as if they were using the cell phone records as proof for all the testimony. Okay, if he said “what happened at this time?” and such and such call was made, boom, it was very, I would say, influential.

Sarah Koenig

(14:04) Besides the calls themselves, they also had a list of all the cell towers that pinged each time a particular call came in or when out. “Sure,” the prosecutor said, “you might have your doubts about Jay, but the call record doesn’t lie. Jay couldn’t possibly have known which towers were getting pinged when. He couldn’t fabricate that. It would be too crazy of a coincidence.” So the cell towers, and the calls and Jay’s story, they way they all meshed, prosecutors argued, was irrefutable. Prosecutor, Casey Murphy said to the jury in her closing statement, “The most important thing for you to remember about Jay’s testimony is that it does not stand alone. It is corroborated.” She added, “The cell phone records support those witnesses say, and the witnesses support what those cell phone records say.” There’s no way around it.

(14:53 – Sarah & Dana in the car)

Dana Chivvis

Alright, ready?

Sarah Koenig

Yup.

Dana Chivvis

Okay. So I started it at– it’s 2:51, and we’re making a right out of the Best Buy parking lot onto Belmont Ave.

Sarah Koenig

(Sarah’s track resumes at 15:04) Alright, so lets see if we can recreate what Jay says happened that day. The next stop after Best Buy is the I-70 Park and Ride, where Jay says they leave Hae’s car for a few hours. It’s just a large commuter parking lot. Jay says he follows Adnan there, Adnan is driving Hae’s car. Jay has Adnan’s car. He’s pretty careful to let the cops know we wasn’t ever in Hae’s car. Never touched her or her stuff.

 Detective

(15:27) Did he get out of the car?

Jay

Yes. He got out of the car and–

Sarah Koenig

(15:30) This is from Jay’s second taped statement.

Jay

–proceeded to go through the trunk and the back seat.

Sarah Koenig

(15:37) This detail has always struck me, by the way. Jay says Adnan is going through the trunk of Hae’s car at the I-70 Park and Ride. Hae’s body is back there. In the trunk, at this point. But anyway…

Jay

(15:50) Several items, he picked up and moved around, stuff like that, then he came over to his car, told me to pop the trunk. I popped the trunk. He placed a whole bunch of items in the trunk and then he got in the driver’s seat and we switched places, and I got in the passenger’s seat.

Sarah Koenig

(16:08) It takes Dana and me eleven minutes to get to the Park and Ride from Best Buy. Then we wait a couple minutes to account for Adnan’s movements. In case you’re wondering, there were no security cameras at this Park and Ride back in ‘99. We checked with the DOT. So now it’s a little after three p.m. When Jay took the cops on this ride on March 18, to map out the timeline, he told them that after they left the Park and Ride, they went in search of weed. He says that’s when he called his friend Patrick. And this is where things start to get off course. There is indeed a call to Patrick on the call log. But it’s at 3:59 p.m. So right away, we have a time problem.

(16:44) By trial, though, Jay has sorted that out, so that his story better matched the call log. He testified that he called Jenn Pusateri first, at 3:21 to find out if Patrick was home. Jenn testified that, no, Jay would not have called her to find out where Patrick was.  Thats just not a thing that would have happened. But in any case, there is a call to Jenn at 3:21. Jay says that when they didn’t find Patrick at home, they switched course and headed up to Forest Park to buy weed. Dana and I drive that same route.

(Sarah and Dana back in the car – 17:11)

Dana Chivvis

Okay, so they buy two dimes of weed here, that’s a side note.

Sarah Koenig

Alright. Done and done.

Dana Chivvis

Done. We are making a left–

Sarah Koenig

(Sarah track resumes – 17:21) Jay also mentions another call around this time. This call is incredibly important and I will talk more about it in another episode, I swear. But for right now, what you need to know is, in his second interview, when the cops show him the list of calls, Jay says, “Adnan spoke to some girl in Silver Spring.” Her name was Nisha. It was that girl Adnan had been flirting with. And Adnan briefly put Jay on the phone with her. And the reason this is so important is for two reasons. One, it’s the only call in this stretch of time that’s to someone Adnan knew, rather than a friend of Jay’s. And, it puts Jay and Adnan together in the middle of the afternoon, when Adnan says he was not with Jay, he was back at school. In the March 18 itinerary, there’s a note about the Nisha call. That Adnan handed the phone to Jay at the golf course on West Forest Park Avenue.

Dana Chivvis

(18:11 – D & S in the car) Yeah that is the golf course, okay.

Sarah Koenig

If indeed this is the golf course he’s saying where suspect hands the phone to the witness, who is Jay, that was the Nisha call. And that does happen right now.

(Sarah track resumes – 18:24) So the time works for this one. It matches Jay’s story. But here’s the problem. It doesn’t match the cell tower in the call record. It’s pinging a tower back near the Best Buy, west of where we are.

(music sneaks in at 18:39 – low, pulsing) And that is true of all these calls from the middle of the afternoon. The 3:21 to Jenn, 3:32 to Nisha, 3:48 to a dude named Phil, 3:59 to Patrick, none of these calls pinged a tower near where Jay tells the cops they were driving that afternoon. Not a one. At trial, though, even though all these midafternoon calls were identified and accounted for in Jay’s  testimony, prosecutors did not point out that the cell towers didn’t match. Adnan’s defense attorney did, sort of, but reading the trial transcript, even though she notes the discrepancy, she doesn’t nail it. So it’s hard to tell what that discrepancy means. So, onward.

Dana Chivvis

(D & S in the car – 19:16 – music continues)

So we are headed to the Patapsco State Park right now.

Sarah Koenig

Oh, you’re kidding.

Dana Chivvis

I’m not kidding. We definitely don’t have time don’t have time to go to Patapsco.

Sarah Koenig

Well, let’s see how long that takes.

(Sarah track resumes – 19:29 – music drops out) This is the next stop on the itinerary. To a place known as the cliffs at Patapsco State Park which is a good twenty minute drive from where we are right now. Adnan’s track practice starts at four p.m. If before, we were clinging respectably to the agreed upon timeline, now we’re about to just thumb our noses at the thing.

Sarah Koenig

(19:50) Yeah, this just seems absurd. It’s three– say it’s between 3:45 and 3:50 now in their world. If I’m Adnan and I need to be seen for track, I’m freaking out right now, that I need to get back for track to have an alibi. So what’s this “oh, lets just drive halfway across the county to go to a state park to smoke a blunt?” Just smoke in your car! It just seems like there had to be other places you could have pulled over for a quick smoke, if indeed that’s what needed to happen.

Dana Chivvis

(20:22) There’s a shrimp sale at the Crab Crib.

Sarah Koenig

(Sarah track resumes – 20:28) Sometimes I think Dana isn’t listening to me. Anyway, we head to Patapsco State Park, because Jay is very clear: taped statement number one, taped statement number two, March 18 itinerary. Now is when they go smoke a blunt at the cliffs in Patapsco. Dana and I trek in there.

Sarah Koenig

(outdoor track – 20:43) Okay, down many rough hewn steps. This is beautiful!

You can see the river below, some train tracks, hills. Jay’s memories about this spot are specific. Dana reads from the handwritten notes from March 18.

Dana Chivvis

(21:00) So these are the detective’s notes. It says, “Patapsco Valley State Park 1630 hour.” And then the next note is, “Sun getting ready to hit mountain tops.”

Sarah Koenig

(Sarah track resumes – 21:09) 1630 hour means 4:30 p.m. Sunset that day was at 5:05 p.m. so that would make sense.

Dana Chivvis

(21:16) Then it says, “I can’t believe I did it. I’m sad but not really.”

Sarah Koenig

(21:21) Here’s what Jay says they talked about, and before I play this next tape, just a warning that it’s disturbing:

Jay

(21:27) We’re standing, overlooking a whole bunch of stuff at this cliff and he starts telling me about how it was when he killed her. How he said he wrapped his hand around her and– her throat and she started kicking and he said he looked up to make sure nobody was looking in the car at him, and he said he was worried about her scratching him, getting his skin under any of her fingernails, and that she was trying to say something. He said that he thinks she was trying to say that she was sorry, but that was what she deserved and–

Detective

How long do you think you were the cliff?

Jay

Twenty minutes to a half an hour.

Detective

Other than that conversation, was there anything additional?

Jay

He had said to me, he wondered where to put the body at.

Detective

Did you make any suggestions?

Jay

None at all.

Detective

Did he name any locations?

Jay

None at all.

Detective

He didn’t say, “what about here?” You know, he didn’t name off a half dozen locations and you gave him thumbs up or thumbs down?

Jay

Um, I just– he said something to… the effect of the state park where we were, a little up the river, but I told him that people walk up and down here.

Sarah Koenig

(Sarah track resumes – 22:52) So, Jay says they talk about the murder at the cliffs. He says they talk about whether to dispose of the body right there in Patapsco State Park, he says they’re there for perhaps twenty minutes to half an hour.

(music sneaks in – 23:05 – bass pulse with woodblock) Come trial, when Jay’s on the stand talking about where they went that day, this whole trip to Patapsco, it never happens. It’s just not there. That talk they have? Instead it happens in Adnan’s car, when they’re tooling around, looking to buy weed. This is a puzzle to me. It’s such a vivid scene, Jay’s describing, it’s so detailed. I have to think he included it for good reason. But it doesn’t fit the timeline. Driving out of the park, talking to Dana, I was turning this over. Why the Patapsco story at all?

(23:38 – D & S in the car – music drops out) Yeah (laughs) it doesn’t make any sense. Plus– it’s like trying to– I’m trying to think of an analogy of what the uselessness of what we’re trying to do by recreating something that doesn’t fit, it’s like a– like trying to plot the coordinates of someone’s dream or something where it’s just like “but wait! That doesn’t–” as if we’re going to be surprised every single time but it didn’t– it doesn’t because it’s not prop–

Dana Chivvis

(24:14) I think they call that a fool’s errand.

Sarah Koenig

(Sarah track resumes – 24:18) At trial, Jay says Adnan gets another call as he was dropping Adnan off at school for track. “Before he left the car, he received a phone call, or placed a phone call. It was in Arabic. I don’t know who he was talking to. I don’t know what it entailed. I believe it was his mother.” Adnan and his family say he doesn’t speak Arabic, or Pashto, or Urdu. But maybe Jay could hear a foreign sounding accent on the other end of the call. And there is a 4:27 call in the log. Maybe that’s the one. But again, the cell tower it pings isn’t near Woodlawn High School.

The earliest Dana and I can get from the cliffs back to Woodlawn is 4:45 p.m. and that’s being generous. But even so, that means if Adnan still had to get changed, he is very late for four p.m. track now, which seems like a bad strategy for an alibi, doesn’t it? To be noticeably late like that. Jay says he goes next to a friends house. I’m going to call this friend “Cathy,” because she didn’t want to be identified. Jay says he gets  there by 5:20 or 5:30. He says he smokes some more weed there, but it’s not long before Adnan calls him and says, “I’m done with track, come get me.” Jay goes back to Woodlawn, to get Adnan. Jay tells the cops that he gets to Woodlawn at about six p.m. and that he sees Adnan with a friend from track. The notes from March 18 say “said goodbye to track buddy, Will.”

Will

(25:39 – phone call) That day, he said bye to Will, and then– oh man. (sigh)

Sarah Koenig

(25:45) That is Will, from track.

Will

It’s hard to remember that one interaction.

Sarah Koenig

You mean I should have asked you fifteen years ago?

Will

Maybe five, I would have remembered. Oh man, that’s hard to remember. Gee whiz, I didn’t even know that I was a part of anything until you just told me that. Like, no one ever contacted me about anything.

Sarah Koenig

Really!

Will

Yeah, like, yeah.

Sarah Koenig

So the cops– No cops ever called you and said, “was Adnan at track that day?” No attorneys–

Will

No!

Sarah Koenig

No attorneys ever called and said, “was Adnan present at track practice that day?”

Will

I don’t remember any of that.

Sarah Koenig

(Sarah track 26:24) Will confirmed that yes, track started at four, so you had quite a bit of time from the end of school at 2:15.

Will

(phone call resumes 26:30) Yeah, go dig around. Play footsie with your little girlfriend. And then go get ready for practice and be ready and on time. There was never an excuse to be late for track practice.

Sarah Koenig

Because there was so much time.

Will

Exactly.

Sarah Koenig

And what would happen if you were really late, or you skipped or– was there any consequences?

Will

Yeah, actually if you didn’t have a family emergency, you had to run extra. 400’s. Extra running the next day.

Sarah Koenig

(Sarah track resumes 27:03) Their coach, Michael Psy, told the cops that Adnan probably was there that day, that he thinks he would have noticed if Adnan wasn’t there. But he couldn’t be 100% sure.

The other thing Will told me was that he saw Jay pick up and also drop off Adnan for track, multiple times.

Will

(phone call resumes 27:19) Yeah, that was just normal. Normal to the point where no one would pay attention to it.

Sarah Koenig

Right. Ah! So you can’t solve this crime for us.

Will

I wish I could, oh my goodness!

Sarah Koenig

(27:33 – 27:40 – deep foreboding music)

(Sarah track resumes 27:41) Here’s another problem with the track story. Jay says he get’s Adnan at about six. There’s an outgoing call at 5:38 p.m. to Adnan’s friend Krista. Someone Jay would not be calling. Which would suggest Adnan had his phone at 5:38 p.m. and the call pings a tower that is out near that guy Patrick’s house, sort of where they end up ditching Hae’s car. Not at all close to Woodlawn High School. I could keep going here, to the bitter end of the night, but I’m hoping you’ll take my word for it, that the time line has some problems.

(28:14 – 28:21 – more music – no vocal track)

(28:22 – Sarah track resumes /  music is out by 28:28) I’m going to try very hard not to bore you right now, but I do want to talk about cell records for a sec, because I want to know whether the State used the call records accurately, and fairly at Adnan’s trial. Do the records really corroborate Jay’s story? You might have seen some recent reports about how cell phone evidence isn’t as reliable as it was once cracked up to be. The Washington Post ran a story in June, for instance, with the headline, “Experts Say Law Enforcement’s Use of Cell Phone Records Can Be Inaccurate.” Federal courts in Oregon and Illinois have ruled cell phone evidence inadmissible.

(28:55 – more upbeat techno music in background) The problems arise when you’re trying to say, “I can prove you were at such and such at such and such a time because of the cell tower your phone pinged.” You can’t do that with certainty, because of the way cell towers get activated, and how much territory they cover. In fact, these kind of records are mostly useful as a way to say where someone wasn’t rather than where he or she was. Like if a call pings a tower in downtown Baltimore, I’m going to be pretty confident that you’re not making that call from Annapolis, or D.C., or Patapsco State Park.

As far as I know, Adnan’s case was the first in Maryland to use cell tower technology as evidence. It was a new thing. Because I am technologically speaking, a moron, I asked Dana to find out “did the cell expert who testified at trial present the technology accurately in a way that still holds up?” (music is barely audible) So Dana sent this gripping testimony to two different engineering professors, one at Purdue, and one at Stanford University. And they both said “yes, the way the science is explained in here is right.” And the way that the State’s expert,  a guy named Abraham Waranowitz tested these cell sites, by just going around to different spots and dialing a number, and noting the tower it pinged, that’s legit. That is not junk science.

But that’s a different question from, “does the science he’s explaining here, actually support the State’s case? Did the prosecution deploy that science fairly?” That’s a more complicated question with a more complicated answer. Waranowitz, the cell expert, and prosecutor Casey Murphy, did the site tests together. She took him around to various locations connected to Jay’s story.

(music is out by 30:37)

Dana explained it to me.

Dana

They went to the spots that matter the most in the story of the crime.

Sarah Koenig

Okay.

Dana Chivvis

So places like Jenn’s house, the Best Buy, Leakin Park where Hae was buried. Those places that are really important.

 

Sarah Koenig

Okay.

Dana Chivvis

Cathy’s apartment. So they do fourteen of those, right?

Sarah Koenig

Okay.

Dana Chivvis

They go out on this day in October and they do fourteen of them. Do you know how many they brought up at trial?

Sarah Koenig

No.

Dana Chivvis

They ask the cell phone expert about four of them.

Sarah Koenig

You’re kidding. Really?

Dana Chivvis

Four of them.

Sarah Koenig

(Sarah track resumes – 31:14) Four of them. Because the rest of them, didn’t really help their argument. Which is their prerogative. Their job is to put on the strongest possible case, but of the four site tests they do talk about, one is a test Waranowitz does in a place called Gelston Park, which I’m not even going to explain because it’s basically irrelevant to our story. The other three places, these all happen, in Jay’s narrative, after six p.m. After Jay had picked Adnan up from track.

Dana Chivvis

(31:41) Sort of from 12:07 until 6:07, that window of time is where Jay’s story doesn’t line up with the cell phone records. And the timeline he’s giving is not lining up with the times of the cell phone calls.

Sarah Koenig

So the towers, the times, and Jay’s story are not matching–

Dana Chivvis

Right.

Sarah Koenig

–anywhere in that basically six hour period.

Dana Chivvis

Right. Yeah.

Sarah Koenig

(Sarah track resumes 32:09) Which, this is sort of what Dana and I had experienced on our drive that day, that it wasn’t plotting out. Just a word about the cell tower testimony. It took two days and it was sort of a mess. Adnan’s defense attorney, Cristina Gutierrez claims she didn’t have all the cell record evidence, she didn’t have the cell tower map, she tries to get Waranowitz’s testimony thrown out, the judge nearly agrees with her, then prosecutor Kevin Urick ends up asking for a mistrial, which isn’t granted, and all this might sound like exciting courtroom fireworks, but it just– I cant stress enough how tedious must have been for the jury. And also possibly confusing. Waranowitz is actually a young guy. On the stand he looks kinda like George Stephanopoulos, except tired and fearful. Here’s one of the more lively moments of his testimony. Prosecutor Kevin Urick talks first.

(Courtroom clip – 32:59) 

Prosecutor Kevin Urick

What, if any, effect does the brands of cell phone’s have on the functioning of the AT&T wireless network?

Cristina Gutierrez

Objection!

Judge

Over ruled. If you know.

Abraham Waranowitz

Depends on the quality of the phone.

Prosecutor Kevin Urick

How might that affect it?

Cristina Gutierrez

Objection!

Judge

Overruled, and again, if you know.

Abraham Waranowitz

Poor performance.

Prosecutor Kevin Urick

How so?

Cristina Gutierrez

Objection.

Judge

At this point, I’m going to sustain and Mr. Urick unless you are prepared lay a foundation–

Sarah Koenig

(Sarah track resumes – 33:32) Seriously. Most if it is more boring that that. Which is why I made Dana read it all, so I didn’t have to. She explained that the cell tower tests the prosecution did bring up at trial, the ones after six p.m., the first one was about a site near Cathy’s apartment. Remember thats the call Adnan gets at Cathy’s when Officer Adcock calls asking if he’s seen Hae. Waranowitz says that one worked, that 6:24pm call is a winner. It matches the cell tower, it matches the call log, and it matches Jay’s story, Adnan’s story, and Cathy’s story too.

(music sneaks in at 34:08 – somewhat upbeat soft electronic type music)

It puts Jay and Adnan together at a certain place at a certain time. The question is, what happens after that? Jay says, after the Adcock call, they left Cathy’s and that’s when they went to bury Hae in Leakin Park. Then, they ditched her car out of Edmondson Avenue and then they headed back toward Westview Mall, where they threw evidence into the dumpsters. And if you map the cell towers that ping between 6:24pm and, say, 8:05, if you imagine each tower lighting up, they do illuminate this trail. They support the locations in Jay’s story. Waranowitz confirms this with riveting testimony that sounds like this.

Abraham Waranowitz

(34:47) Yes.

Sarah Koenig

(34:49) The most incriminating stop on their route that night is, of course, Leakin Park. There were two incoming calls, one at 7:09 and one at 7:16, that hit a tower at the northwest end of the park. I asked Dana, since the range of that Leakin Park tower reaches beyond just the territory of the park, could they have been someplace else besides digging a grave in the actual park?

(music is out at 35:12) 

Sarah Koenig

(35:12 – D & S conversation) Could you have been at someone’s house or something?

Dana Chivvis

Um, it’s possible you could have been here, which-like- this is I think Patrick’s house? One of his addresses.

Sarah Koenig

Oh, okay.

Dana Chivvis

For instance. Ummm or you could have been at – these are strips. Like maybe you could have been there.

Sarah Koenig

Um-hmm, okay.

Dana Chivvis

I think they were probably in Leakin Park.

Sarah Koenig

Okay.

Dana Chivvis

Because he, it’s just, I don’t think, I that the the amount of luck you would have to have to make up a story like that and then have the cell phone records corroborate the key points. I just don’t think that that’s possible.

Sarah Koenig

Isn’t that sort of tantamount to saying, I think they were in Lea – I think Jay is telling the truth?

Dana Chivvis

I’m saying I think the cell phone was in Leakin Park.

Sarah Koenig

(Sarah track resumes 35:57) Right. That looks pretty bad for Adnan. Because, even though the cell towers can’t say who is with the phone or who was making the call, Adnan himself says he’s pretty sure he was with his phone at that time after track. Again, his memory is vague, it’s full of I probably would haves. But he says that from what he can remember of the evening, after he got the call from Office Adcock, he remembers dropping Jay off at some point and then he says he would have gone to the mosque for prayers. It was ramadan. He doesn’t say he lent his phone out or his car to Jay or anyone else that evening. So, according to Adnan, he was with the phone and twice that night, the phone pinged the tower near Leakin Park. So, bad for Adnan.

On the other hand, the call records also undermined what Jay tells the cops about that same trip to Leakin Park. The Adcock call at Cathy’s ends at about 6:29pm, the Leakin Park calls are 40 minutes later. But Jay says after the Adcock call, he and Adnan left Cathy’s and then they do a bunch of different things: they drive to Jay’s house for shovels, then to I-70 Park & Ride for Hae’s car, then Jay goes to McDonald’s back by school to wait for Adnan, says he’s there waiting for about 20 minutes, then they drive all around for awhile back over to Patapsco, then up Dogwood, to Security, before they finally get to Leakin Park. All that, what I just described? That takes an hour and twenty minutes. Twice as long as, in other words, than the call log accounts for.

(music organ-like swells come in at 37:31) 

I’m not trying to be petty here. I don’t think we should hold Jay to some crystal clear timeline. How could he possibly  remember each twist and turn and phone call from that day, six weeks later? However, if the state is saying, Adnan Syed is guilty because we have this witness and his story is backed up by cell records, well, what I see is, you have this witness but his story has shifted, rather significantly over time and you have these call records, but I don’t think they’re  as iron-clad as  you’re making them out to be. Because, for the most part, they don’t exactly align with your witness’s narrative. There are key moments, when they do support his version of that night. But what about the rest of the day?

Adnan Syed

(phone call at 38:18) You know, it’s like it’s so unfair to me, because it’s like , it never, the the the the the umm the etched-in-stone-ness of the phone records, it never goes in my way. It’s just whenever it’s true of what the prosecutor is saying, it’s like, you know the the phone’s a tablet, whenever something I’m saying is like the Holy Grail, ‘oh we don’t know where it is,’ ‘we’re not sure,’ ‘does it really exist’ floats away. But that’s not cool though, because now what you’re saying is that you can use the cell phone records when it benefits me…

Sarah Koenig

(Sarah track at 38:49) That was the 30 minutes cut off. Adnan called back.

Adnan Syed

Yeah, I got cut off on a big rant. But, uh, yeah, no (Sarah laughing) but to finish up real quick…

Sarah Koenig

(Sarah track resumes 38:57) The rant went on. Of all the calls, the 2:36 call is the most troublesome to Adnan. It’s the one he probably thinks about the most. Because that’s the call that starts the whole chain. And he also thinks about it because he says he has an alibi for that time, the Asia letters, where she says she saw him in the library.

Here’s a weird thing about the 2:36 call, the prosecutors are very clear at trial that this is the ‘come and get me, I’m at Best Buy’ call. But they’re not basing it on anyone’s testimony. Jay never says the call was at that time. In fact, he says repeatedly that Adnan called him around 3:40 or 3:45.

(music comes in at 39:38)

Jenn also says that’s about when Jay left her house that day. But there is no incoming call at or near 3:45 on the call log. So, the prosecution has to go with 2:36 because it’s the only one that sort of lines Jay’s story up with the log. It’s their only choice.

(music drops out by 39:54)

When you tease apart the State’s case, you can get tripped up on details like this. Which is maybe why prosecutor, Kevin Urick, addressed this head on in his opening statement to the jury. He told them, “look at the big picture.” The main plot points in Jay’s story have been consistent. He tells them that consistently, Jay “has always given the same story about what the defendant did where. Consistently, he tells Jennifer a consistent story, he tells police a consistent story about the defendant, he tells consistently the defendant’s involvement, the defendant’s actions on that day. He has never wavered on that point.”

That is a lot of consistently-s and while, maybe it’s not great oratory, it does have the advantage of being true. In Jay’s statements, while the particulars shifted, the spine of his story did not. Adnan told Jay he was going to do it, Adnan showed him the body, they buried her in Leakin Park, they ditched her car. Jay has been consistent on those points. It’s funny, there’s this part of the trial that keeps coming back to me. It’s when Cristina Gutierrez is cross-examining Jay, she’s pointing out that he lied to detectives about various things, including the location where he says Adnan showed him Hae’s body in the trunk of the car.

Cristina Gutierrez

(trial clip at 41:06) Well what you told them and your act of showing them that place, those were lies, weren’t they?

Jay

They were not the truth, no.

Cristina Gutierrez

They weren’t the truth. What is the opposite of the truth?

Prosecutor Kevin Urick

Objection

Judge

Sustained

Cristina Gutierrez

You told them something that was not the truth.

Jay

No, I told them the truth.

Cristina Gutierrez

And then you backed… let me finish

Jay

I’m sorry.

Cristina Gutierrez

And then you backed it up, showing them a place that was not the truth, correct?

Jay

I told them the truth, I did not show them a location that was true, no.

Sarah Koenig

(S track resumes at 41:45) He says, ‘I told them the truth, I did not show them a location that was true.’

(music resumes at 41:50 – piano plinking) As oxymoronic as it sounds, I think I see what he is saying. Yes, I told some lies, but I told the truth. Overall, I told the truth. There are parts of Jay’s story that make no sense, where it seems like there must have been more going on than he’s saying. But here’s what’s also the truth, you can say the same thing about Adnan’s story too.

Next time, on Serial.

(music full at 42:17) 

(42:29) Serial is produced by Julie Snyder, Dana Chivvis and me. Emily Condon is our production and operations manager. Ira Glass is our editorial advisor. Fact checking by Karen Fragala-Smith. Our theme music is composed by Nick Thorburn, scoring music by Nick and by Mark Phillips who also mixed our show. Special thanks today to Phil Levis and Terrence O’Connor, Dan Manning, Mark Thomas, Blake Morrison, and Liz Buoy.  Our website where you can listen to all our episodes and find photos, letters, and other documents from the case, and you can sign up for our weekly emails, SerialPodcast.org. Support for Serial comes from Audible.com….. SSerial is a production of This American Life and WBEZ Chicago.

Out at 43:18